Thursday, 4 August 2011

Modesty...Going Out of Fashion?


So...I read a blog the other day by Matthew Paul Turner, on JesusNeedsNewPr, about modesty. And to be honest, I literally sat there a bit dumbstruck for quite some time after. Then I ranted on to Ben about everything I had just read, and how it was a complete revelation to me, and that I was completely blown away by what he said, (Poor Ben, the number of my rants he puts up with that boy). Then I got to chatting to a good friend about it, as she had also read the blog, and not taken it quite as 'this-is-the-best-thing-I-have-read-in-forever' as me. Which is great, cos it got me thinking about it a tad more and realizing it is not quite such a black and white topic after-all.

So I thought I'd share some of my thinking on it. Being that modesty is definitely something the Church, over the years, has had a lot to say.

Firstly, I want to say, that I felt kind of special that there was a guy out there, sticking up for us gals, on the whole modesty issue. And my experience, through having both a VERY protective male dominated family, and Church, had definitely left me taking pretty much all the guilt and blame for any guy looking in my direction. After-all, I must have been wearing something provocative, and led them astray, cos otherwise no man on the planet would have looked! Right? I mean, that's the ONLY reason guys will look, is when we are asking for it? Anyway, this was my thinking for pretty much most of my life.

So, his blog: He brought up that Church modesty rules, in the past, have been sexist, putting far more responsibility on females than males. He mentioned that peoples views on modesty vary greatly, and therefore, we can't really make specific rules. He talked about modesty being also largely cultural, eg those African tribes where women's breasts are exposed all the time, and not viewed as a sexual thing, but rather a tool for feeding babies. He discussed modesty often resulting in shame, for many women, to the point of some women struggling to be ok with sexuality in marriage. And finally he talked about the line often used, 'so as not to lead our Christian brothers astray', and the effect this has in making women less equal than men, and somehow beneath them or of less value.

And I have to say, I totally agree with all that he said!

But then in discussion with my friend, she brought up some points, which in my excitement at my new revelation, I had not thought about. She asked if I would have a degree of modesty that I would expect from my daughter. And again, I would have to say 'YES', most definitely.

I hate to see young girls baring their breasts, and wearing skirts so short they might as well be belts. And my heart would break to see my daughter wearing clothing like this.

But my reason for my desiring a level of modesty from my future daughter has less to do with 'modesty' itself , and more to do with 'why' she is craving men's attention in this way.

During my later school years, I did go through a phase of exposing more of myself than I would deem decent now as an adult. And I know that I was doing this because I craved attention from males. At the root of this craving, was a longing to be wanted, needed, desired by someone. A need to feel loved. I was insecure, lacking confidence, truly believing that WHO I WAS, was not enough, and that being the case, my looks, and body were all I had to offer. People wouldn't truly like ME, so therefore I just had to present a desirable physical package.

So were my daughter dressing to reveal herself, I would be concerned with her need to do it. What is broken in her, that she so longs for men to desire her sexually and craves that attention?

On the other end of this scale, I also recognise in myself, those times where I need to hide my body away, wearing unflattering, un-clingy clothing, (much to Ben's dislike and frustration). And this is also, always rooted in insecurity. At these times I feel fat, or unattractive, and so I don't want people to see just how fat or unattractive I am. Therefore I hide it, and hide myself, and my femininity in the process.

This also I do not desire for my daughter. I would like her to be secure enough to wear clothing that is flattering on her body, without being completely immodest.

My friend also brought up modesty within some Churches. For example, dancers wearing little more than a bikini top, as they writhe around in provocative, sexually charged moves. (This is not an attack at dancers by the way...I totally wish I could be a dancer, and always fancied myself a bit of a Latin American jiver...just an illustration for my point).

And I agree that this, despite it still being the males responsibility as to whether he looks or not, is actually ridiculously difficult for any male, sitting in this service. This 'Godly' entertainment, with a supposed message, will likely arouse men, and be more of a distraction from the message than anything else. And I fault no man struggling with this.

And this line of thinking got me wondering if there is a lack of consistency in some Churches, where the afore mentioned is tolerated, but where females on the worship team have to ensure their shoulders are covered, and to accidentally show any flesh as a preacher is unacceptable, and scolded?

I think this all leaves me wondering what the balance is? Or even if there is one? Can we ever be modest, yet still feminine, and not attract unwanted attention? And is it society, and its diminishing boundaries, that has men so easily prey to an attractive women, or is there simply a level of self-control that is not being practiced, due to the blame being laid at the feet of women, for so many years?

So people...what do we think the answer is? Or is there even one? What do you expect from your children, or Church?

9 comments:

  1. Hey Jo :)

    Great blog! It reminded me of the 'Slutwalk' that was in the news!

    I think there have been wrongs committed by both parties over the years which makes it harder on both sexes. It is a real battle out there for men in terms of staying pure and keeping their minds from wandering. It's also a real battle for women to feel beautiful and validated as women in a world that screams so many messages at us about not measuring up or being attractive enough.

    I totally vibed with what you were saying about dressing that way in your teen years. I'm also guilty of that for the same reasons. I came across this feminist writer bell hooks last year doing my paper on gender studies and she made these two statements about the female search for love / validation from men:

    “...as females in patriarchal culture, we cannot determine our self worth. Our value, our worth, and whether or not we can be loved are always determined by someone else. Deprived of the means to generate self-love, we look to others to render us lovable; we long for love and we search.”

    “Within patriarchal culture, the girl who does not feel loved in her family of origin is given another chance to prove her worth when she is encouraged to seek love from males.” (bell hooks)

    These quotes struck major chords in me and what I had been through made so much more sense. I knew my parents loved me but I think a lot of fathers struggle to know how to show appropriate and meaningful love and affection towards their teenage daughters.

    Anyway much love, enjoying your blogs :)
    Rach xx

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  2. Hey Rach,

    I totally agree with everything you wrote! I know that my Dad did the best he could, and that he totally loves me, but its not something that comes naturally to men. And loving daughters is completely different to loving sons. Not only that, but in terms of body image, we will always fall short of the ideal society presents to us, which only causes more struggle with our self worth. I reckon I'd be keen to read her books by the looks of it! They sound really interesting!

    What was 'slutwalk'? I haven't heard of it?

    Glad you are enjoying reading!
    love you back babe!
    xoxox

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  3. For anyone who is interested http://www.slutwalkaotearoa.com/
    I think the problem with modesty is that it is a subjective concept. Your age, culture, the context etc all seem to have an impact on what is considered appropriate. And its hard to balance the fact that what we wear may invite unwanted attention and the fact that we shouldn't be treated differently because of what we wear.

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  4. The issue of modesty or lack thereof is for me, more about the intention behind what someone wears rather than the clothes themselves. Take Lady Gaga, she wears outrageous and often very skimpy clothes yet rather than trying to seduce she is trying to engage debate. And she is a hoot! Love her! However, if it is young girls walking around wearing dresses that are little more than a long'ish top completely of their face, well, I guess I have more of an issue about why they feel the need to dress & behave like that. So it is a mixed bag. I think it comes largely down to the age of someone too - a 15 year old or 80 year old wearing a 'long top' with heals doesn't look as good - as sexy and feminine as say a woman who is between maybe 20 & 50. Skimpy can still be classy - depends on the person. In terms of men - I don't care what they think. How men perceive women is not womens issue - that is their issue, their moral compass, their self control. And yes the expectation of modesty has been one-side since well, forever. In NZ even as late as the mid 90s when they were in the process of changing rape laws, some judges commissioned to be part of the process were known to have said that some women do ask for it and that if you are married you can't be raped by your husband! Nice. And this spineless attitude exists - sure women unfortunately have to accept the sad reality that not all men are good men, but if a girl walks home late at night drunk wearing a skimpy outfit you can bet that there will be plenty of men & women who will say she asked for it. So really what we need is for women to stop judging, start accepting and start supporting! Sorry - this is a rant happy topic for me!!! :)

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  5. Libs, I will totally check that out!

    Rebecca, man I think it is so so so totally appalling that people would say a woman is asking for it if she walks home drunk and wearing skimpy clothing! She is maybe not the smartest girl considering society today, but it is not her fault that men can be complete perverted pigs! A man, who is prepared to rape a woman, will do it whether he comes across some girl walking home drunk or not. Just last weekend, my flatmates sister had her drink spiked, cos some guy thought she was out on the town alone, and obviously was hoping to take advantage of her. That is not her fault that she went to the bar without her freinds to buy a drink. That is the dickhead guys fault for thinking he has the RIGHT to abuse a woman. That people would even say that it is a womans fault disgusts me, and that is why I so totally agreed with Matthew Paul Turners argument, cos for YEARS pretty much ALL the blame has been laid at womens feet, and men have had to take NO responsibility at all!!

    I also agree with you...my thinking is that it is down to motives. Why is my 'daughter', for example, needing to attract that sort of attention. And thats I think where its hard to determine modesty.

    Its been one of my bug bears also, due to the fact I had a couple of guys, (one a grown man), when I was VERY young, I think about 12 or 13, and not at all wearing skimpy clothing, and not trying to attract attention, say things about my clothing, and how it was causing them to think about me sexually, that is completely inappropriate. This is so so so completely wrong, especially when it is done in the name of God. But back then I was too young to understand that it was wrong. I just knew I felt ashamed and dirty as a result.

    Love your comments!

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  6. Libs, I just read that website! I totally agree with what they are doing! Go the girls for standing up, and not letting some men get away with their being abusive, or perverse. I wonder if the reason that rape is so so so common, is partly due to the attitude that, 'she lead me to do it', or 'she was asking for it', as a guy will always have justification for what he is doing. Thanks for the link!

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  7. Oh how awful that happened to you - shame on him! Makes me sick. If only you knew me & Ben then...we would have sorted him out! :) But not surprising though eh - church has plenty of perverts! I remember being subjected to a few leering comments myself from 'men of God'....when I was in the habit of wearing long skirts with granny cardigans! I also had a very good friend tell me that I was being provocative because I was wearing polypro (with jeans - another staple of mine)....something which left me incredulous. Needless to say we are no longer friends :) Such judgment exists in all walks of life and I guess as mothers and potential mothers we need to educate our kids that clothing is just an expression of who you are - so work to keep who you are true, authentic, kind & empathetic & the rest falls into place. God created women with fabulous curves for a reason - not just to make men want us so we could have babies, but because He loves us; our bodies - just like that of mens' is an expression of who He is. So we have every right to celebrate them - men & women alike...and appreciate what God has made (hehehe cos well, I ain't above a bit of perving either!) :)

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  8. Hey Sis!

    I'm really enjoying reading your blogs. Unfortunately I don't always get around to commenting, but know that I'm reading them and really enjoying the thought that you are putting into them. Courageous honesty!!! RESPECT!!

    Much love!
    Sam.

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  9. Aww thanks wee bro!! Glad you are enjoying reading them!! Haha...yeah my honesty gets me in to trouble a bit at times...oh well!!

    Thanks for the encouragement!! A girl needs it every now and then!! :-)
    xoxoxox

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